I HAVE DIED AND GONE TO HEAVEN! thanks again guys. I think I am going to stick witht he formal white and black theme. Then the next will be white and royal blue. As a child I had one build at the local bike shop that was white and black. I just want to copy it. Next project will be a Hutch pro Racer. Just to keep in mind if anyone has one to get rid of...lol Have a great day and thanks for the welcome! PS My daughter and son race NBL and ABA here. My daughter is going to the grand national in OK. She has 2 bike manufacturer sponsors after her right now...so keep fingers crossed. Have a great evening! Otto